Lighting Design Insights

On this episode of “SoundVision Tech Talks,” Andrew sits down with our Lighting Designers, Eric and Sydney, to discuss Lighting Design Insights.

At the core of the conversation is a simple principle: layered lighting. By combining recessed fixtures with wall washing, linear cove lighting, decorative fixtures, under-cabinet illumination, and subtle toe-kick lighting, you create a space that offers comfort, depth, and flexibility rather than relying on a single, harsh overhead source. We explore what “good lighting” actually means in the context of everyday living: how you cook, clean, relax, and move through your home after dark.

We also take a practical look at retrofit opportunities. If your home still follows the traditional “four cans and a fan” layout, you’re not limited. We discuss how modern LED modules and trims can enhance color quality, beam control, and fixture scale with minimal disruption to drywall. We challenge the assumption that ceilings must remain perfectly symmetrical, emphasizing that effective task lighting often requires breaking the grid to eliminate shadows in key areas like sinks, cooktops, and countertops.

We finish the conversation with the full lighting design process, respecting architectural elements like beams and coffered ceilings, selecting the right color temperature to maintain a home’s intended aesthetic, and simplifying control through scene-based keypads that replace walls cluttered with switches.

If you’re looking to better understand how lighting can transform your home, this episode offers a clear and thoughtful perspective on what it takes to get it right with the abundance of options to choose from. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:03

Welcome to Sound Vision's Tech Talks, where we dive into trending topics and expert advice to help you make informed decisions about your home entertainment, automation, and more. Whether you're planning a new project or just curious about the possibilities, TechTools is your go-to source for staying updated on all things technology. Joining me in the podcast studio today, we have our design engineer, Eric. Hello. And our new lighting design assistant, Sydney Strickland.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Hey, hey.

SPEAKER_02 0:36

Welcome, guys. So on this podcast, we've talked quite a lot about lighting over the years. On the technical side, the different types of lighting and how it integrates into a smart home. But recently, Eric and Sydney have been working on a lighting design for a home, and it led to an interesting discussion on how sometimes the cool lighting ideas you see online don't always translate with the architecture, the scale of the home, or how the homeowner actually lives in it. So sorry, I have to get in my little intro quips. So we're gonna start with the different types, right? Is that what we're gonna do?

SPEAKER_00 1:18

No, you can just follow the questions on down.

What Good Lighting Looks Like

SPEAKER_02 1:21

All right. So why don't we get into, in your two opinion, as people who work with lighting, what good lighting is, in your opinion? Why don't we start with you, Mr. Eric?

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Uh the main thing for me that makes good lighting is layered lighting. And layered lighting is more than one source in a room. Um, so most houses you see nowadays, you have four cans and a fan. That's honestly one source of lighting. All your lights kind of coming down from the top where you get glare, and it's usually just crazy bright, and you can't do a whole lot about it. Layered lighting is adding exactly that layers. Do some wall wash lighting, do some linear cove lighting in the ceiling. You can still have your recess lighting, you could even have uh baseboard lighting. It's all just you're adding layers of lighting into the room to you know fill it out more, make the room look bigger, make the room look more cozy, basically.

Retrofitting Better Light Into Homes

SPEAKER_01 2:23

Yeah, totally. I'm gonna build off of that just a little bit, but think of it as like heights of lighting in a room. You have your table lamps, you have your linear lighting, your under cabinet lighting, your toe-kick lighting, think of a kitchen. There's so many things that you do within a kitchen. You don't just need light coming out of the ceiling. You need some task lighting. You need some under cabinet lighting, or maybe you're cleaning in the kitchen, you need some toe kick lighting for extra light on the floors. But yeah, layered lighting for sure.

SPEAKER_02 2:50

With that being said, with different layered lightings, what about for homeowners that have pre-existing homes that have maybe those four cans in a fan, or maybe they have some accent lightings and they want to add to that? Is that possible?

SPEAKER_00 3:04

100%. Um, that's what most people don't realize is they assume that they are stuck with the lighting that they have, or it's gonna be a huge to-do, and we're gonna have to tear up every single room and run new wiring everywhere, and we don't have to do any of that. Uh, we can if you'd like us to. 100%. Absolutely. We can get wire anywhere in your house you want it to go. Depends on how much money you want to spend. But as far as retrofit lighting, we can literally take the can that is already there, which is the fixture that holds the light bulb, and just either replace that can or even just replace the little module inside that can to give you all new lighting. We can also decrease the size of the light. Let's say most fixtures are six inches wide, they're huge. Um, we could go down to smaller pinpoint lenses, um, and without having to fix the drywall, we can do basically like a reducer. So you can go from a six down to a four or even down to a two. Um you would obviously see the plate there, but you wouldn't have to fix drywall. So you're not stuck with what you have. We can change the temperature, we can change the size, we can change the look, we can do all of that without, for the most part, minimal drywall work.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

With tape lighting, is that something they can add on, or is that something that would need to be pre-planned and retrofitted into your home?

SPEAKER_01 4:28

I mean, it's always going to take a little bit of planning, but that's definitely an easier ad to do in a house that's pre-existing.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

Tape lighting specifically, like for the most part, most people think of tape lighting to be under-cabinet lighting, toe kick lighting, stuff like that. As long as there is a power source, it's very easy because you're just adding a power module and that can just be put in the cabinet. Um, so that's relatively easy. If you're trying to do some large-scale linear thing, then yes, we may have to try to get the wire back to the originating point. But again, it can all still be done.

SPEAKER_02 5:02

What do you two feel homeowners often overlook when it comes to lighting? Things they may not know that they learn once they come visit us.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

So, one thing that definitely is overlooked from a homeowner's perspective is just because it's symmetrical does not mean that it is functional lighting. So on a plan set, it looks so satisfying to have all your cans and your ducks in a row in the ceiling, but that doesn't always mean it's functional. I'm gonna use the kitchen as an example one more time, but you would typically want a can over top of your sink. And that may not align with your hallway lighting or your island pendant lighting. And that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

To really put it in perspective, think about when you're standing at the stove and you're cooking. Generally, besides the hood light, which is generally not that bright, the light source is behind your head. So you are casting your own shadow on your work area. So what we want to do is take that task lighting, is what we call it, and shift it forward so it's above your head, so you're not creating the shadow so you can see what your food looks like as you're cooking it. But you know, designers tend to sometimes be a little feisty about that because it's not in a line with everything else in the kitchen. But what Sydney and I talk about all the time is how often are people staring at your ceiling to be real? How often do you look at the ceiling in your own house? It's a fair point. No one's gonna notice, and if they are, kick them out.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Yeah. And this is a this is a super common pain point, but have you ever been grilling and you have to use your flashlight on your phone? Oh my god. It is the most frustrating thing. Yes. And so we take that into full accountability when we're when we're building these plans. We we really think it through and we think about those common pain points when we're making a lighting design. Yes.

Pinterest Trends That Fail In Real Houses

SPEAKER_02 6:58

We kind of touched on how lighting that you may see online or you've heard of may not translate into a home.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Can you give me some examples maybe of where that may that may be an issue or what people need to realize, especially when you're looking at stuff like Pinterest and stuff like that, yeah, it's really cool ideas, but take them just as that ideas and how can we work them into your house? Because just because it works in a photo doesn't mean it's going to work in your house. Um for example, we had a customer that had a very modern home, like polished concrete floors, all white walls everywhere, and they wanted uh what's called warm dim lighting. So if you're older like myself, you remember, you know, all the lights we had and lamps and everything when we were younger had this yellowish glow to it, but it's very cozy.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

I love that lighting, it's what I grew up with. Now you get this harsh LED lighting that is really white or kind of bluish in a way, and it's just kind of harsh. But the thing about the different color lights is this um customer, she was adamant that she wanted warm, dim lighting in the house. And our uh lead designer Zach was like, Look at your house, and I will do what you want, but I'm gonna tell you right now, no, we're actually not gonna do that. And she was like, I don't understand, why not? And he said, Well, let me put it to you this way it's gonna be fine during the day because you have windows everywhere, but as soon as it's nighttime and you turn on those lights, your entire white house is gonna look like a mustard house. Right. All your walls are gonna become yellow, everything in there is gonna become this tinged yellow, and it's just potentially going to look grimy, and we're not gonna do that to you. And she actually came back to us after all was said and done, and she was like, You are so right. I'm so glad I didn't go with that warmed in because yeah, it would have been terrible. So you have this cozy idea in your head, but it doesn't work in your space, and that is honestly the point of us is to let you know that okay, we'll do what you want to do because it's your house and your money, but this is why that's most likely not going to work.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

Absolutely. And that's why our designers and our design engineer, you know, they have a lot of experience in this industry, testing new products, trying them out in not only here in our showroom, other homes, you know, that is why we're here, like he said. We're here to guide, you know, when someone says no to you like that, it's it's for your best interest.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Yeah, we're not trying to like, especially here at Sound Vision, we're for the most part, and I know people say it all the time and people don't believe us, but we're not all the typical sales people here. We don't we care what you buy because we want it to work. What we don't care what you buy, regardless of price. Like I want you to have the right things for your house, you know, and I don't ultimately care what you spend on it, you know. As long as we know it's going to work, it works with our stuff, you know, then that's where we're trying to come from.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

Eric, you often are in the meetings from the beginning with clients from the start. How do you approach lighting with customers from the beginning? Take me on that journey.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

One thing we like to do, we have a full dedicated showroom, and we fully believe that you can't buy it unless you see it. Now, to a point, we cannot have every product from every manufacturer, you know, we don't have a showroom the size of an NFL stadium.

SPEAKER_02 10:33

Yeah, just not reasonable.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

That would just be crazy. But we do have a full setup in the front of our showroom, which is very lighting specific. It has layers of lighting, which we touched on earlier. Um, it also has the original four cans, so we can pop on those four cans and go, okay, this is the light you you're probably used to. And they're like, Yeah, that's fine. And then we dazzle them with our layers of lighting, and then they're like, they're singing the whole new world song from the Disney.

SPEAKER_02 11:02

It's like night and day.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

They're like, Holy crap, I could have this.

Keypads Scenes And Decluttering Switches

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Yes, exactly. And they just they don't understand how much like they're gonna buy a house, they've got 4,000 decisions they have to make when they're building a house, you know, and they just do not have the bandwidth for this. So when you say, Oh, we've got this lighting design, and they're like, no, whatever, just four cans, symmetrical, just get me lighting the house, they don't think of it that way. But you're spending a million, two, three point three million dollars on a home. Are you gonna put in a hundred cans from Home Depot and that's your lighting? Right, that hurts me in my soul to be real. And we don't want you to do that. So we try to help you to understand that it's more than just I mean, lighting is more than just light. Light also affects your mood. Absolutely, it affects how you feel. If the light's too bright in the morning, you're just kind of like, I don't want to. You know, if it's not bright enough at night, then you're like, I can't do anything. Yeah, you know, so we really try to inform people that, you know, lighting during the day, it matters. Lighting at night, it matters, you know, lighting, uh in including the keypads, lighting switches, and stuff like that on the wall. You don't have to walk into your kitchen and see six light switches on the wall that control your recess lighting, your under cabinet lighting, your pendant lighting, your sink lighting, your, you know, all this stuff. All of it, the fan, all of it. We can have one keypad on the wall that does all of that. So we are decluttering the walls as well. So just it's there's so much design to it that people just don't grasp.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

So when you say keypad, before I jumped into this industry, I would have thought that you were talking about an iPad, iPhone situation mounted to the wall. And that is simply just not what it is. There are so many sleek designs that we can have and put on your wall to declutter your wall. It's we like to call it wall acne. We don't want that on your wall. We don't want someone to walk into your foyer and see eight gangs on your wall controlling every light in that room. Or you could have a beautifully designed keypad on your wall that has three labeled buttons. So anyone walking into that room knows exactly what those buttons control. We like to do scene control that really cuts down on wall clutter and wall acne. So those buttons control all the loads within a room. So welcome, for example, will light your path from your garage door all the way through your house, giving you main walkway lighting. Entertain, for example, will set these different loads to different brightness levels to set up your whole house. You're not running around turning on lamps, adjusting your lighting to where it needs to be. It is a one button, a one-done. Something that we've we've recently started to do room by room, is we've gotten feedback from previous clients saying they want just singular room control and they want a bedroom to be bright and a bedroom to be dim, but it controls all of the loads within a room. So your recessed, your pendants, your sconces, your under cabinet within a let's use your master bathroom as an example. So you have bright, which turns everything super, super bright. I mean, this could be for cleaning, this could be for I don't know, you're getting ready, you need a lot of light. But then typically what I would do in the morning is I always press dim. I don't want all that bright light, but it controls all those loads in a room and it brings those light levels real low. So you're not blinded by the light in the morning.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

And and one of the other things to sort of, you know, add on to that is not everyone in your house likes the same lighting. I can give you a huge example. I want minimal lighting at all times. I do not like a lot of light. You know, in the morning and stuff when I'm getting ready, yes, I need light to get ready, but in the evening, I want it to be dim and cozy and quiet, you know, to sort of help me out. Whereas my wife's like, every light in the house on letrol. And I'm like at all times. So I mean, if you really boil it down for programming, if you really wanted to get into it, we could create like a his and hers light. So it's like if you're home and she's not, or vice versa, you can just be like, I'm gonna hit my light because I don't need every light in the house on, you know. Um, and the other great thing is on our keypads that are on the wall, you can do anywhere from one button to six. Um, and they are all backlit engraved keypads. You are not gonna roll into that house and have a bunch of blank buttons that you have no idea what they do, or you're not gonna have a sticky on the wall next to it that tells you what all the buttons do, and then that sticky is gonna fall off and you have no idea what the keypad does. Yeah. We design all this ahead of time with you. We you sign off on it. The day you walk through that door to move in, every keypad is lit up and ready to roll. And if you want to get crazy, we can do the keypad in different lights. Like it could be blue, it could be green, it could be whatever, you know, and also the keypads are designed so that if they are in a bedroom, which obviously some people are really sensitive to any sort of light at night, we can program it so that the lights actually, the backlight actually shuts off. So it's not, you know, lighting up your room. The other thing we do is in bedrooms we tend to use blue backlit keypads because even though you can see blue light at night, blue light cannot pass through your eyelids. So you could stare at that keypad the whole time. Yes. So you know it's there if you open your eyes and that would bug my wife. It wouldn't bug me because I know I can't see it.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

It might bug me.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Yeah, it would bug me. But again, that's the whole point. Like, yes, that is a fun fact, and but your brain doesn't see that. It knows there's light in this room and it's bugging me, and I can't sleep. It hasn't it doesn't matter that you technically can't see it. That's fine. We will shut that off. For me, my both my wife and I, actually, surprisingly, both of our style is very sort of castly cottage, like we love wood beams, wrought iron, stuff like that. And it's like those are there to be highlighted. Yeah, there to be. We have different types of light, we have specific types of beam lighting that the light, I swear to you, is magic. You can put it behind the beam and the light will come around it like the beam's not even there. It it's it's a crazy fixture, but yeah, you want to highlight those things in the house. It's like, okay, if you're putting makeup in the morning, you're highlighting certain parts of your face, or you're if you do your hair a certain way, you're highlighting something about your face. You know, you want to do that to the house as well. You've got this great beams that you probably spent a large amount of money on. Why don't you want to showcase those? Like that to me is art. Like I want to light those just as much as I do a piece of a sculpture or a piece of art on the wall.

Architecture Constraints In Lighting Plans

SPEAKER_02 18:15

Yeah, it's the art of the home. Yes. How important is considering the architecture of the home in our design process?

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Very important. Something um lots of times we will get a set of plans and there are lines all over this plan, and sometimes it's a little hard to decipher, but you run into stuff um like coffered ceilings. Coffered ceilings are basically the the ceiling of the room is has a design on it that is built, so it's a lower portion than the main ceiling itself. So you really have to factor that in when you're doing lighting and stuff like that, because again, you don't want, you know, we talk about things don't have to be symmetrical, but sometimes they really do.

SPEAKER_03 19:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

And so you don't want a light offset in that square or offset differently in every square in that room. There could be six to eight squares in that room, or even triangles, or whatever. You want to make sure you don't put a light where there's gonna be a beam. I did talk about that one fixture that can pass around, but that doesn't work for every situation. So you could lay out cans or lay out lighting everywhere in a room and be like, oh, this is super cool. And then come back and go, Yeah, there's beams all over that room. None of that lighting's gonna work. And so now you have to like redo it all. Or we could be like, beams are awesome. We're gonna linear light every single beam in this house, but every single beam is just a rectangular beam. There's no ledges or anything like that to hide the linear lighting. So it's like you can't really light it that way because it the linear would be visible and it would be ugly. Let's be real.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Yeah. And that's an again, where you go through with our designers to kind of work out those kinks and details.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

We do not want your house to be ugly. We do not want, we try to hide as much as we can. Like again, we are doing lighting design. Like when an electrician gives you plans, and I'm not throwing any shade on electricians, I definitely wouldn't want to be one. But they're they're not designing your lighting. They're just like, you need light in this room. Here's four cans, here's six cans, here's whatever. This will get you light. Here's a fan can in the bathroom. Like, boom, you've got light, we're gonna roll. Done. Like, they're not there to design, they're there to sell it, throw it in as quick as they possibly can, and move on to the next job. Like, it's not their zoom expertise. Yeah, they're like, we're in, we're out. We are designing it. We're taking that highlighted wall that you spent all that money on that tile, and we are gonna highlight that wall. We are gonna graze that wall. Like you spent money on it, you love it, we want to showcase it. Same thing with the beams, same thing with artwork, same thing with you know, grand pianos, like everything.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

Yeah, no, you're exactly right. Like your lighting deserves, like you said, in these million-dollar homes that you spend so much time and effort on, you want every aspect, every detail to have that kind of attention brought to it.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Absolutely. You you spend a lot of time thinking about what's the landscape of my house gonna look like. What you know, type of exterior am I gonna have to the home? Am I gonna have stucco? Am I gonna paint? Am I gonna have siding? Am I gonna have wood siding? Am I gonna have metal siding? You know, you're like, what carpet am I gonna do in this room? What tile am I gonna do in this room? Your lighting's the same thing. Your lighting is lighting all of that stuff you're choosing. So if you choose all of that stuff and it's all beautiful and it's all expensive, and then you light it with four dollar cans from Lowe's, what do you think it's gonna look like?

SPEAKER_02 21:42

No, and I think planning with lighting is important because, like you said before with that example about the modern home, that you think you want all of this, and then you get in there and the lighting just doesn't make sense with the home. So, if possible, it's it's actually the bet the earlier you Can get in to work on your lighting design plan the better because it's only gonna make your home more cohesive.

Style Mismatch Story The Show Car Garage

SPEAKER_00 22:06

Well, and that's one of the things people don't often understand that you know we are a little bit different, but your A V dealer can also be your lighting designer. Like they just think that we just put in speakers and TVs, we do so much more than that. Um, one of the things Sydney and I are working on design right now, we sort of attacked it um from two sides because she is relatively new here and I've been here for four years. We wanted to go, okay, you take this design, I'm gonna take this design, go wild with it. Yeah, do yours, I'm gonna do mine, and then we're gonna come together and see how close they are, how much they differ, how much is like, oh, that's a super cool idea. I'm gonna put that in mine. Um, but one of the things that we came across is the style of the house is very sort of cottage, and we ran into some issues with the show car garage. You want to talk about that, Sydney?

SPEAKER_01 22:59

Yeah, absolutely. This is this is a a spec-styled home, and it's like an old European countryside cottage. Kind of put that vibe in your head. I see it.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

And stone wood, you know, sconces, iron, yeah, just chateau.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Beautiful, stunning home. And they have drawn on the plans, they have your regular three-car garage, and then right across um in the motor court, they have a show car garage. And both Eric and I were like, oh my gosh, how cool would it be if we're doing mudden linear in my head? I'm like tron, yeah. Tron linear lighting that goes from the ceiling down the wall on the floor to show off these show cars. And then we had to, we had to take a pause. We're like, wait, this is a beautiful European-styled countryside home. And we're going, like, we want to put in all this cool lighting, and we're like, not the place to do it. And that's okay. You can want these cool things, but then you really have to think of the style of the home and how it's going to be cohesive. And that just didn't work.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

Yeah. We designed the rest of the house to have like wall sconces and stuff like that for this old world feel. And then we had this ridiculously modern future garage that design-wise, if you're looking at it, is cool. Yeah, it looks no sense whatsoever to the full design. Yeah. People would walk in and be like, Did we leave?

SPEAKER_02 24:28

Where are we? But again, that is part of our design process, is helping you make those decisions so your home turns out the best it can.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Even we lose our minds every now and again and get get excited and then go, no, no, can't do that. This is not my home.

Favorite Lighting Choices And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_02 24:43

Yep. All right. So before we head out of here, I just kind of want to pick your brain about discussing all these different types of lighting. What is your guys' favorite lighting? Something that you, if you could right now, would implement in your home today.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

Oh, I love moody lighting. So every lamp, I'm going to use a make-believe home. In my make-believe house, I would have every lamp and I would have a button on my wall that said chill. And that button would turn all of my lamps on real dim and just get it cozy and moody and cut all of my overhead lights off. And it just creates this whole vibe. And that is really what we want to give our clients when we give them these scene control buttons. It's so curated to each client. You can have any button in the world. Like, think of you're like, what if I could do this? We can do that stuff. Yeah. That's what we're here for.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

And Sound Vision actually does have that scene. We call it relax.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

Yes, we do. Here at our showroom if you want to come experience it.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Yep. Uh one of the things that I would do, um, and this this is a little, it's a little, I wouldn't say it's out there, but it's uh it's one of those, you know, hot button opinions. I would have no recessed or down lighting in my house. It would all be linear cove lighting, it would all be wall wash lighting. You can light an entire space that way and have plenty of light to do whatever you need. And we can show you that in our showroom. Any light that comes straight down from the ceiling, especially for people like myself who wear glasses, it's gonna cause glare. Yes. And I hate glare. So I would honestly, now I would put in recess lighting into my house, but yes, it would be to have it if we're gonna sell the house because not everyone's gonna be like me and they're gonna walk in and go, there's no lighting in this house. I'm leaving.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

Yeah, retail values are that thing.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

I would have to have it in there for everyone else after me, but that doesn't mean I have to use it.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

True. Your wife can use the other button if she wants on your customized PPEP.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

She can use the fire it all up button.

SPEAKER_02 26:53

So to wrap this all up, great lighting isn't just about choosing the trendiest fixture. It's about choosing what works in your space. So through thoughtful design and a team that makes it okay, that's disgusting. Um anything else to add, guys?

SPEAKER_00 27:10

I think some of the takeaways from this, if you're uh looking to implement design in your own house, is one is layered lighting.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

Two, can be just because you have O lighting doesn't mean we can't make it new. We do not have to store your house in the person process. And often what customers overlook is fixture placement. Not everything has to be in a straight line, not everything has to be, you know, not all light fixtures have to be the same size. You could do two-inch fixtures over a seating area, and you could do four-inch fixtures down the hallway. Just because the rooms bought up to each other doesn't mean like you don't, everything has to be the same, everything has to be in line, everything has to be the same, you know. Even we can do different colors in different rooms. You can do really high sort of white 5,000 Kelvin task lighting in the kitchen, and you can do 3,500 sort of warm lighting in the hallways and in your bedroom at night. Like just light lighting isn't just, oh, it's light, it lights my space. I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

The possibilities, they're not endless, but they're pretty close.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

So if any of our listeners want to learn more about lighting design or experience some of these scenes and lighting setups we've discussed, feel free to reach out or come visit, schedule an appointment at our Experience Center. All right, Eric and Sydney, thank you for joining me.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 28:45

Thank you so much. Until next time.